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Christopher on Nov 2nd 2010 at 1:29 pm Summary
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This summary was awesome! I really like how the one student stated that we should stick up for what we believe and not jump on the band wagon. Opinion is great if research is there to back it up. The overall presentation was awesome!
As we discussed yesterday, “interventions” like diet & drugs have no correlation on student ACADEMIC achievement. They are only “quick fixes” that temporarily make the teacher and some parents happy. I loved in Lloyd’s article when he said that medicines control behavior but the teacher still needs to TEACH (197). If only more people realized that yet! Yes, medicines can be helpful for certain individuals (not everyone) but the medicines don’t make the students suddenly know the content. They may be able to focus more or have less behavior issues which some people may confuse with academic success but the TEACHER still needs to TEACH and I see how Teach Like A Champion goes hand and in hand with this. The techniques in the book show teachers how to deliver the content and help the students get to mastery. And great job on the site Crystal!! It looks amazing!
Thank you for your recommendation for the book “Teach Like a Champion”. Will pick it up and add to my collection!
I viewed the discussion on drugs. I assume you are all graduate students preparing to go into some aspect of special education. You will find drugs–sometimes initiated by parents and sometimes encouraged by schools. You will find that most of the prescribing physicians do not ask for public school input/data. Drugs are an intervention (sometimes effective and sometimes not) and like any intervention their use should be data driven. You need to work with parents and your peers to define what academic or behavior outcomes are targeted by the drug(s) in question. Your role is to collect data and provide it to the parent on a regular basis. If the data indicates no benefit you need to work with the parent to have the medication changed or eliminated and then you do additional measures to determine the impact of the change. Clearly, drugs are not a cure and should only be one part of a comprehensive intervention. Hopefully, the other parts of the intervention are effective and the use of drugs can be discontinued. From an ethical standpoint drugs should be the intervention of last choice and that is what you should advocate. However, you are not likely to be in control and you should be prepared to collect solid data and use that data to influence future decisions.
hattie has written a great book. You should also get Lemov’s book “Teach Like a Champion”. If you integrate the recommendations of both books into your educational practices you can throw out most everything else you have been taught.
Going back to what Crystal pointed out, those “buzz words” are what educators have come to believe are what are benefiting our students! I would like to know who is telling them all of these factors are effective! Do we blame the school system, their higher educational institutions, television, etc.?
In addition, we are now responsible for getting the truth out after being a part of this class and working through these ideas in order to discontinue these widely popular beliefs. This includes standing up for not only the research, but for our students!
This was well done! I really think it was a great introductory discussion into the chapter!
Also, discussion was well presented! Great job, everyone!
I agree! The current “buzzwords” that have become popular in many school systems today have very little support from research. Diet, drugs, etc. seem like the answer and involve very little effort from the teaching staff. It seems that this supports the idea that teachers point the finger of responsibility to others when it comes to the academic failings of a student. It is essential that we, as future teachers, rely on strategies with research based support in order to make our students as successful as possible.
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